[T-800]

i have just put new discs and red stuff pads on (after having yellow stuffs on the old discs) i bed them in as per procedure.

The brakes on the RS3 are by far the worst i have had on any 'performance car' I am quite hard on the brakes with a car. After 500 / 600 miles i found on hard braking its suffering from deposit build up and caused vibration. The pads overheated causing me to be massively hard on the pedal to bring the car to a stop. I slated the yellow stuffs and changed to red stuffs as the dust was too much and i felt the were slightly hard but my god its like night and day. The red stuffs are in my opinion not up to the task for fast road driving i know some of you will disagree.

I know the car is not the lightest but getting it to stop after fast road use is not ideal. I came from a b7 RS4 and i felt the brakes on this where unbelievably good for its size.

I also understand the increase in power will not help but i will be seeking an upgrade on the brakes before anything else i think to be honest.

I agree....

When I had Redstuff on after a few days driving away on holiday the steering wheel would be shaking it's **** off....

They only would return to normal after getting back home and cleaning the wheels / jet washing.

Then after a while the Redstuff lost their bite completely, it was like all of a sudden a different pad had been fitted.

[stevo_123uk]

I agree....

When I had Redstuff on after a few days driving away on holiday the steering wheel would be shaking it's **** off....

They only would return to normal after getting back home and cleaning the wheels / jet washing.

Then after a while the Redstuff lost their bite completely, it was like all of a sudden a different pad had been fitted.

 

Thats how i feel and i am less than 1000 miles in, to be honest whilst i didnt like the yellow stuff pads they were night and day although harsh defo maintained a bite all the way to the end of their life.

 

I have yet to find a set up i am completely happy with that works

[T-800]

Thats how i feel and i am less than 1000 miles in, to be honest whilst i didnt like the yellow stuff pads they were night and day although harsh defo maintained a bite all the way to the end of their life.

I have yet to find a set up i am completely happy with that works

I tried the yellows for 2 days

They started falling to bits, large piece broke off from near the centre groove and that started them off squealing.

[stevo_123uk]

I tried the yellows for 2 days

They started falling to bits, large piece broke off from near the centre groove and that started them off squealing.

 

 

wow! i was ok with mine dust how dusty they were, i dont think i would go back to them to be honest..

[T-800]

wow! i was ok with mine dust how dusty they were, i dont think i would go back to them to be honest..

Wow exactly........

When I rang EBC to ask for an explanation they said its 'normal' for Yellowstuff pads to look like that he said to me it means they are doing their job......

Needless to say they never went back in.

[stevo_123uk]

Wow exactly........

When I rang EBC to ask for an explanation they said its 'normal' for Yellowstuff pads to look like that he said to me it means they are doing their job......

Needless to say they never went back in.

 

thats frightening !!yeh i doubt ill use EBC again

[quink345]

Redstuff are ok on my RS3

Edited by quink345, 08 August 2016 - 12:12 PM.

[45bvtc]

There are full bedding in processes on the forum if you search but I do this:

 

Keep the speed low and do very light braking until you can get to a quiet national speed limit A road, definitely don't bring the car to a stop and hold it on the brakes. On the A road do repeated (10 times) 60 - 20 MPH slow downs with increasing pressure. Let the brakes cool off whilst still driving (10 mins) then do another 10 slow downs 60 - 20 increasing the pressure each time. An A road with a long straight between 2* roundabout is great for this in light late evening traffic. After that I do a few more slow downs on the way home but then keep off the brakes (as best you can ) for 10 mins before I get home to let them cool off a bit. Just avoid bringing the car to a full stop under heavy braking and don't hold the car on the brakes with hot discs.

 

The Red's have a bedding in surface so they are pretty easy to bed in. After that the next day I am fairly sympathetic with the brake pedal but do the odd increased pedal stab to make sure they still bite. After that normal braking as required.

 

100% in agreement with Duke3D     

 

I've been using and advocating EBC Redstuff brake pads both FRONT and REAR since May 2014 and like Duke3D and numerous others have only GOOD reports to make of them. 

 

Maybe, as has been suggested before, it's the way brake pads have been fitted and/or used that could be a factor here as for sure there's no constant feed back with either OEM or alternative EBC Redstuff and/or Yellowstuff brake pads in either 8P or 8V cars; some cars/owners/drivers having problems and others not...  

 

Interesting for me with 8P cars now selling on are that brake-issue-reporting show cars that had problems with owner/driver 'A' (no names...) are problem free (ish) when moving to owner/driver 'B'; now why is that    

 

All said I, and I guess a fair number of others, will continue braking with EBC Redstuff for some time yet...    

[stevo_123uk]

100% in agreement with Duke3D     

 

I've been using and advocating EBC Redstuff brake pads both FRONT and REAR since May 2014 and like Duke3D and numerous others have only GOOD reports to make of them. 

 

Maybe, as has been suggested before, it's the way brake pads have been fitted and/or used that could be a factor here as for sure there's no constant feed back with either OEM or alternative EBC Redstuff and/or Yellowstuff brake pads in either 8P or 8V cars; some cars/owners/drivers having problems and others not...  

 

Interesting for me with 8P cars now selling on are that brake-issue-reporting show cars that had problems with owner/driver 'A' (no names...) are problem free (ish) when moving to owner/driver 'B'; now why is that    

 

All said I, and I guess a fair number of others, will continue braking with EBC Redstuff for some time yet...    

 

 

do you use your car for proper fast road use i am just curious to hear? If am buying a performance car i expect the brakes to be up to the job, i have had different tuned cars for a while and the brakes on the RS3 are by far the worst i have experienced and this is coming from cars with 1 or 2 pot calipers at the front. I know the weight is an issue but an rs4 weighs the same as a house and the brakes on that where out of this world on standard pads and discs

[45bvtc]

do you use your car for proper fast road use i am just curious to hear? If am buying a performance car i expect the brakes to be up to the job, i have had different tuned cars for a while and the brakes on the RS3 are by far the worst i have experienced and this is coming from cars with 1 or 2 pot calipers at the front. I know the weight is an issue but an rs4 weighs the same as a house and the brakes on that where out of this world on standard pads and discs

 

I don't understand 'proper fast road use' as I find everybody has a different view; all I can say is that I don't get overtaken much in whatever or wherever I'm driving.  But my 8P RS3's a keeper and it'll stay on Redstuff brake pads front and rear.

 

However, before I fitted Redstuff I did the maths and looked at what other cars of similar weight and performance were using the same caliper and pad and had similar issues with the OEM pad - 'cos that's what I did professionally; and that's why I trialled Redstuff myself and concluded them to be a better brake pad for my own 'road use' and there's a fair number would agree - and a few that don't, but hey...    

 

Biggest issue with the OEM pad, for me, is construction and primarily the rivets holding the friction materials to the backplate that eventually go onto score the brake disc; go check the photos, for sure Duke3D has posted more than a few...  

[Duke3D]

do you use your car for proper fast road use i am just curious to hear? If am buying a performance car i expect the brakes to be up to the job, i have had different tuned cars for a while and the brakes on the RS3 are by far the worst i have experienced and this is coming from cars with 1 or 2 pot calipers at the front. I know the weight is an issue but an rs4 weighs the same as a house and the brakes on that where out of this world on standard pads and discs

 

Personally I never drive above 40 MPH and use uphill inclines to slow down 

 

Behave, we all drive fast road although I'm not nailing the brakes every 2 minutes all day long. When I have hit the stoppers HARD the Red's have never let me down. Trust me having experienced Audi pad failure at 140 the Red's have them beat all day long. Bear in mind my car is my daily drive so my brakes have to deal with the daily hum-drum commuter stop start as well as the fast bits as time and place allow.

[mrAudi]

I know the weight is an issue but an rs4 weighs the same as a house and the brakes on that where out of this world on standard pads and discs

I have 8 pot brakes on my Q reported to be the same fitted on the RS4 & they are poo to the point i don't want to use it unless i have to, when its been a hot day or the brakes are hot from a lot of stop start town driving they squeal like a pig when in motion from 20mph - 0mph and you can feel it in the pedal & steering, but it stops when you apply the brakes.

Yes i have taken it to the dealers & i recently had a full service there & they tell me the brakes are only 50% worn so there is no need to replace the brakes.

[stevo_123uk]

hows the share prices in EBC these days boys?  

 

opinions are just that lol what you like i might not and vice versa ( evidently )

 

I have had a fair few tuned cars the last 4 in excess of 330bhp and the brakes have been fine the RS3 i think are really bad, thats my opinion. I dont rate the EBC pads on the RS3, i am sharing my experience and opinion on the matter.

 

I am over the moon that you all find the red stuff pads great and i am happy your experiences have been filled with joy. Me not so much so my hunt continues for pads that work for me.

 

the brakes on the b7 RS4 in my opinion where outstanding

[T-800]

Agreed Stevo_123uk I think it's similar to what I said in the JP Alloy thread........

What works for some may not work for all.
My Red RS3 squealed with everything bar Ferodo DS performance pads (not 2500 mind)

In the end the standard pads that were virtually brand new went back in before the car was sold..........

The owner after me contacted me and told me how he'd put Redstuff in and still had squeal, told him 'been there done that'.

Edited by T-800, 09 August 2016 - 02:29 PM.

[45bvtc]

hows the share prices in EBC these days boys?  

 

opinions are just that lol what you like i might not and vice versa ( evidently )

 

I have had a fair few tuned cars the last 4 in excess of 330bhp and the brakes have been fine the RS3 i think are really bad, thats my opinion. I dont rate the EBC pads on the RS3, i am sharing my experience and opinion on the matter.

 

I am over the moon that you all find the red stuff pads great and i am happy your experiences have been filled with joy. Me not so much so my hunt continues for pads that work for me.

 

the brakes on the b7 RS4 in my opinion where outstanding

 

Same with our TT and A1 Black Edition, stevo_123uk; single pot calipers, OEM discs and pads, and the brakes are just brilliant, the A1's just OTT

 

Oh, and Redstuff on the TT are absolute rubbish, OEM so much better...

[stevo_123uk]

Same with our TT and A1 Black Edition, stevo_123uk; single pot calipers, OEM discs and pads, and the brakes are just brilliant, the A1's just OTT

 

Oh, and Redstuff on the TT are absolute rubbish, OEM so much better...

 

 

ssshhhh your share prices in EBC will drop     

 

was one of the first things i said after getting the car home that the brakes were not up to the job.... ill find a combination that works hopefully without having to go full upgrade

[45bvtc]

ssshhhh your share prices in EBC will drop     

 

was one of the first things i said after getting the car home that the brakes were not up to the job.... ill find a combination that works hopefully without having to go full upgrade

 

Wishing you well with your endeavours...

 

Let's talk Lotus Elan (a Lotus Type 45 bvtc, in fact), a car I've been hands-on with for some 40+ years: for the last 15-years or so EBC have been the sole manufacturer/supplier of rear brake pads and me, having maintained far more Elans than I now care to recall, remember well the frictional differences pad-to-pad in EBC supply - some being blue-brick hard and others wet-sponge soft - depending on day of manufacture I guess and or whether Bill or Fred or Jim did the mix.

 

And I do wonder if the frictional quality (no way of checking until they're on the car and properly bedded in) of these OEM Pagid/Brembo/Audi RS3/TTRS brake pads are the same; and/or these EBC Redstuff pads, as reports do seem to vary soooo much car-to-car and/or driver-to-driver.

 

Just content I've a good set of pads and that they work for me and mine...

[stevo_123uk]

Wishing you well with your endeavours...

 

Let's talk Lotus Elan (a Lotus Type 45 bvtc, in fact), a car I've been hands-on with for some 40+ years: for the last 15-years or so EBC have been the sole manufacturer/supplier of rear brake pads and me, having maintained far more Elans than I now care to recall, remember well the frictional differences pad-to-pad in EBC supply - some being blue-brick hard and others wet-sponge soft - depending on day of manufacture I guess and or whether Bill or Fred or Jim did the mix.

 

And I do wonder if the frictional quality (no way of checking until they're on the car and properly bedded in) of these OEM Pagid/Brembo/Audi RS3/TTRS brake pads are the same; and/or these EBC Redstuff pads, as reports do seem to vary soooo much car-to-car and/or driver-to-driver.

 

Just content I've a good set of pads and that they work for me and mine...

 

interesting take on it, i noticed the yellow stuff pads were extremely harsh and where so unbelievably dusty but now they are off i can say they were in a league above the red stuffs i now have on, all be it the red stuffs are very low on dust. 

[P_G]

It's a trade off normally. Yellowstuffs on the my RS4 were superb, on the '3 they were awful, very noisy / grumbling on every application, as much dust as OEM if not more and stopping power was OK. Redstuff's less dust, starting to grumble now, better stopping than OEM but then that may be skewed by upgrading to 8 pot calipers and braided lines.

 

I had the front disc change done at around 20k miles, now coming to 60k I may change front discs and a new set of pads to see if that changes the characteristics I get now (used the original discs rather than a new set when I went 8 pot / Redstuffs)

 

Anyone got a spare set of new front discs they want to sell? Audi the robbing barstewards seemingly put the price up of them OEM discs by £80 per disc at the beginning of the year when all 8P's were out of warranty so no more cheap new discs for anyone I'm afraid.

[45bvtc]

do you use your car for proper fast road use i am just curious to hear?

 

Just to add, Steve; I've been a recipient of a state pension for 6-years now so unlike most RS3s, BLUEY isn't a daily driver, even weekly; but when the weather is truly bad the BLUEY is my vehicle of choice.

 

That said we've just been out for a 25-mile flappy-paddle dry-run around Cannock Chase and sh*t!! the RS3 is an amazing piece of kit; brakes, too; excites just the same as it did in October 2011 when I first saw/drove one and then 3-days later found and purchased one, this one; and long may it do so...